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		<title>By: Follow up on Planned Parenthood &#124; Providence Daily Dose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Follow up on Planned Parenthood &#124; Providence Daily Dose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of weeks ago I posted about the harsh email Planned Parenthood sent out about me. I&#8217;m happy to get to direct your attention to their follow-up email, sent out on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2179</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no dave-i have no problems that money could solve,but in all seriousness maybe you don't know as much as you think you do-i am over twice your age and i can learn something new all the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no dave-i have no problems that money could solve,but in all seriousness maybe you don&#8217;t know as much as you think you do-i am over twice your age and i can learn something new all the time</p>
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		<title>By: Back to the Real Issues</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2172</link>
		<dc:creator>Back to the Real Issues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Werner’s comment

Although she accuses Segal of making the same mistake that Diamond made, does not Werner unwittingly reenact Diamond's self-defeating and divisive spectacle right here? By hyperbolically distorting the truth without doing her homework and/or communicating in good faith with Segal—a crucial ally for progressives—before posting publicly, Werner, like Diamond, expands the divisive mess that Diamond, AS a leader of PPRI, created. This risks the very alliances necessary to legislate progressive change.

The main problem with Werner’s response above, however, is not the posturing, but the failure to grasp the importance of Segal’s own deliberation over the bill: When Werner writes, "the real situation here is what is happening outside Planned Parenthoods all across this country ... 35 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, whatever,” she, like Diamond, collapses the difference between 35 and 150 feet. To occlude that difference is to express a dangerously naive disregard for civil liberties and the right to protest. 

It sounds like this is what Segal was trying to quietly contend with when he was slanderously attacked by Diamond and, in her name, PPRI. Sounds like a chauvinist tactic of intimidation, to me. 

In order to truly "get down to business," or, in this case, build a healthy progressive movement and the working majority required to pass progressive laws, we must call Diamond and Werner out for suggesting that a leading progressive legislator (Segal) should either have signed onto a bill in which the proposed buffer was surreptitiously expanded from approx. 30 feet to 100 feet, or that he should have at least hush-hushed such an undemocratic and potentially self-defeating act. Such a bill as the one ultimately propounded by Diamond and PPRI might have served as a damning precedent that could be used to portray progressive leaders and their constituents as undeserving hypocrites when it comes to matters of free speech -- one of our most precious political rights. 

In closing, as a woman invested in the larger struggle for social justice, I want leadership that is nuanced, cautious, transparent, and democratic. Segal, in this case, has provided it. 

Thank both of you for your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Werner’s comment</p>
<p>Although she accuses Segal of making the same mistake that Diamond made, does not Werner unwittingly reenact Diamond&#8217;s self-defeating and divisive spectacle right here? By hyperbolically distorting the truth without doing her homework and/or communicating in good faith with Segal—a crucial ally for progressives—before posting publicly, Werner, like Diamond, expands the divisive mess that Diamond, AS a leader of PPRI, created. This risks the very alliances necessary to legislate progressive change.</p>
<p>The main problem with Werner’s response above, however, is not the posturing, but the failure to grasp the importance of Segal’s own deliberation over the bill: When Werner writes, &#8220;the real situation here is what is happening outside Planned Parenthoods all across this country &#8230; 35 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, whatever,” she, like Diamond, collapses the difference between 35 and 150 feet. To occlude that difference is to express a dangerously naive disregard for civil liberties and the right to protest. </p>
<p>It sounds like this is what Segal was trying to quietly contend with when he was slanderously attacked by Diamond and, in her name, PPRI. Sounds like a chauvinist tactic of intimidation, to me. </p>
<p>In order to truly &#8220;get down to business,&#8221; or, in this case, build a healthy progressive movement and the working majority required to pass progressive laws, we must call Diamond and Werner out for suggesting that a leading progressive legislator (Segal) should either have signed onto a bill in which the proposed buffer was surreptitiously expanded from approx. 30 feet to 100 feet, or that he should have at least hush-hushed such an undemocratic and potentially self-defeating act. Such a bill as the one ultimately propounded by Diamond and PPRI might have served as a damning precedent that could be used to portray progressive leaders and their constituents as undeserving hypocrites when it comes to matters of free speech &#8212; one of our most precious political rights. </p>
<p>In closing, as a woman invested in the larger struggle for social justice, I want leadership that is nuanced, cautious, transparent, and democratic. Segal, in this case, has provided it. </p>
<p>Thank both of you for your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Segal</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe, would you be a happier person if a made a withdrawal for you from that trust fund i hear i have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe, would you be a happier person if a made a withdrawal for you from that trust fund i hear i have?</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2147</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david-tears?haha-no i didn't promise to use punctuation-i just acknowledged that i don't-and don't try to deny that you accuse people of being racists all the time-hey,i've shed tears for men that you wouldn't make a pimple on their ass on the best day of your life-and they died a lot younger than you but they weren't coddled children-my youngest is older than you and he'd think i was an idiot for bothering with this,but i really don't have enough to keep me busy so i enjoy messing around with know   it alls like you-i actually know some left wingers who have a brain and common sense and i respect their point of view,but they came to it from hard won experience,like i did my so-called "right wing"attitude -start by thinking WHY the fuckin' aclu should be the last word on anything-they defend baby rapers-and for that i hope they burn alive,because i don't know if there's a hell-have you ever locked up a sexual predator?i have and there is no worse creature on earth-drug dealers and murderers are angels by comparison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david-tears?haha-no i didn&#8217;t promise to use punctuation-i just acknowledged that i don&#8217;t-and don&#8217;t try to deny that you accuse people of being racists all the time-hey,i&#8217;ve shed tears for men that you wouldn&#8217;t make a pimple on their ass on the best day of your life-and they died a lot younger than you but they weren&#8217;t coddled children-my youngest is older than you and he&#8217;d think i was an idiot for bothering with this,but i really don&#8217;t have enough to keep me busy so i enjoy messing around with know   it alls like you-i actually know some left wingers who have a brain and common sense and i respect their point of view,but they came to it from hard won experience,like i did my so-called &#8220;right wing&#8221;attitude -start by thinking WHY the fuckin&#8217; aclu should be the last word on anything-they defend baby rapers-and for that i hope they burn alive,because i don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s a hell-have you ever locked up a sexual predator?i have and there is no worse creature on earth-drug dealers and murderers are angels by comparison</p>
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		<title>By: House</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2144</link>
		<dc:creator>House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The buffer zone is a tough call that requires carefully considering the issues. I suggest a counter-protest against the legislators that didn't consult the ACLU. Seems like Handy and others took a convenient stance that pandered to this irresponsible group. Screw PPRI! Hope that the national organization will sack Diamond for her slander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The buffer zone is a tough call that requires carefully considering the issues. I suggest a counter-protest against the legislators that didn&#8217;t consult the ACLU. Seems like Handy and others took a convenient stance that pandered to this irresponsible group. Screw PPRI! Hope that the national organization will sack Diamond for her slander.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Segal</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um... when was that?  [He types, computer screen obscured by his tears.] And didn't &lt;a href="http://thephoenix.com/notfornothing/CommentView,guid,e06c4f92-8e6e-410b-a2fe-f3badd6c4a98.aspx#commentstart" rel="nofollow"&gt;you promise&lt;/a&gt; to start using punctuation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; when was that?  [He types, computer screen obscured by his tears.] And didn&#8217;t <a href="http://thephoenix.com/notfornothing/CommentView,guid,e06c4f92-8e6e-410b-a2fe-f3badd6c4a98.aspx#commentstart" rel="nofollow">you promise</a> to start using punctuation?</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now you know how people feel when you smear them as racists you crybaby carpetbagger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now you know how people feel when you smear them as racists you crybaby carpetbagger</p>
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		<title>By: Will Emmons</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Emmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Davey Dave on this one.  He was right to defend himself when publically attacked.  It would have been irresponsible for him to risk the credibility he brings to the progressive causes he's involved with.  This isn't about his ego (although, if it were, that'd be understandable), this is about ensuring his continued utility as a voice for different social movements and organizations in the state house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Davey Dave on this one.  He was right to defend himself when publically attacked.  It would have been irresponsible for him to risk the credibility he brings to the progressive causes he&#8217;s involved with.  This isn&#8217;t about his ego (although, if it were, that&#8217;d be understandable), this is about ensuring his continued utility as a voice for different social movements and organizations in the state house.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Segal</title>
		<link>http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/10/what-a-day-its-been/#comment-2109</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other tidbits-

1-No, I have not heard from the PPRI board relative to this.  Nor do I have access to most of the board's contact information. I do not know the process by which it was decided to have the email sent out.  Nor have they relented in any way that's been made known to me.
 
2-My posts on these blogs have reached about a fifth as many people as their email reached.  And the text of their email remains posted on their website.

3-I had tentatively chosen not to publicize this, and changed my mind after the press (Ian) picked it up and published it.  But once it started being covered by third parties, it became even more important for me to respond.  And after a certain volume of threatening emails, it becomes understandably difficult to not respond more widely.

4-Yes, it is indeed terrible that women are being harassed.  But as somebody who's been on the losing side of many protests and pickets, I could never endorse a 150-ft barrier.  Threats and physical obstruction and contact are illegal.  A small buffer might be reasonable.  But to shove protesters out of sight and mind is a clear violation of free speech rights.

5-I have not 'made the same mistake' Planned Parenthood made.  They accused me of 'playing politics with women's health.'  I  accurately accused them of frivolously accusing me of 'playing politics with women's health.'
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other tidbits-</p>
<p>1-No, I have not heard from the PPRI board relative to this.  Nor do I have access to most of the board&#8217;s contact information. I do not know the process by which it was decided to have the email sent out.  Nor have they relented in any way that&#8217;s been made known to me.</p>
<p>2-My posts on these blogs have reached about a fifth as many people as their email reached.  And the text of their email remains posted on their website.</p>
<p>3-I had tentatively chosen not to publicize this, and changed my mind after the press (Ian) picked it up and published it.  But once it started being covered by third parties, it became even more important for me to respond.  And after a certain volume of threatening emails, it becomes understandably difficult to not respond more widely.</p>
<p>4-Yes, it is indeed terrible that women are being harassed.  But as somebody who&#8217;s been on the losing side of many protests and pickets, I could never endorse a 150-ft barrier.  Threats and physical obstruction and contact are illegal.  A small buffer might be reasonable.  But to shove protesters out of sight and mind is a clear violation of free speech rights.</p>
<p>5-I have not &#8216;made the same mistake&#8217; Planned Parenthood made.  They accused me of &#8216;playing politics with women&#8217;s health.&#8217;  I  accurately accused them of frivolously accusing me of &#8216;playing politics with women&#8217;s health.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Segal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree pretty deeply, Ariel.  People have defended me precisely &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; I have responded.  (And I have not mocked PPRI anywhere, and am surprised that you would assert that I have.) Their email initially went out to 6,000 people, and was subsequently forwarded to many other listservs and individuals.  I do not have access to those lists, and therefore cannot respond directly to those to whom it was sent.  

It is indeed unfortunate for there to be in-fighting among progressives, but I've been put in an impossible situation.  By mentioning one particular staffer whom I know to have been involved, I have tried to create separation between the individuals responsible for the email and the whole of the organization.  No organization, of course, is a monolith.  

But as you know, one can't let oneself be 'swift-boated.'  There's much more than 'my bruised ego' at stake here -- my ability to be an effective legislator depends on not having my name sullied by organizations for spurious reasons.  When scores of my constituents are misinformed and told that they have reason to hate me, I must respond, and do so immediately.  Posting on a couple of blogs lets me counteract some of the harm that's been done, but will fail to reach thousands of people who've been told how terrible I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree pretty deeply, Ariel.  People have defended me precisely <em>because</em> I have responded.  (And I have not mocked PPRI anywhere, and am surprised that you would assert that I have.) Their email initially went out to 6,000 people, and was subsequently forwarded to many other listservs and individuals.  I do not have access to those lists, and therefore cannot respond directly to those to whom it was sent.  </p>
<p>It is indeed unfortunate for there to be in-fighting among progressives, but I&#8217;ve been put in an impossible situation.  By mentioning one particular staffer whom I know to have been involved, I have tried to create separation between the individuals responsible for the email and the whole of the organization.  No organization, of course, is a monolith.  </p>
<p>But as you know, one can&#8217;t let oneself be &#8217;swift-boated.&#8217;  There&#8217;s much more than &#8216;my bruised ego&#8217; at stake here &#8212; my ability to be an effective legislator depends on not having my name sullied by organizations for spurious reasons.  When scores of my constituents are misinformed and told that they have reason to hate me, I must respond, and do so immediately.  Posting on a couple of blogs lets me counteract some of the harm that&#8217;s been done, but will fail to reach thousands of people who&#8217;ve been told how terrible I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Werner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I agree with Beth--you are a thoughtful and deliberative legislator and when your name is attached to something... it means something--but I cannot endorse this post. By publicizing this exchange, you make the same mistake made by Kristina Diamond. It sounds like she, and she alone, is responsible for the events of the past few days. The PPRI board and your colleagues have rallied around you, no? Why not resolve this issue by using your ties to the PPRI board to send a clarifying e-mail to the recipients of Diamond's original irresponsible note? By widely mocking PPRI on several blogs, you have cast light on a situation that should not be about you. The real situation here is what is happening outside Planned Parenthoods all across this country: women are being harassed and intimidated while exercising their right to choose. 35 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, whatever. We need to act quickly and deliberately towards a solution that benefits the victims of this situation: women who are being barred from controlling their own bodies and reproductive rights. Katrina Diamond should be censured for her actions. But let's put our bruised egos aside and get down to business.

Ariel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I agree with Beth&#8211;you are a thoughtful and deliberative legislator and when your name is attached to something&#8230; it means something&#8211;but I cannot endorse this post. By publicizing this exchange, you make the same mistake made by Kristina Diamond. It sounds like she, and she alone, is responsible for the events of the past few days. The PPRI board and your colleagues have rallied around you, no? Why not resolve this issue by using your ties to the PPRI board to send a clarifying e-mail to the recipients of Diamond&#8217;s original irresponsible note? By widely mocking PPRI on several blogs, you have cast light on a situation that should not be about you. The real situation here is what is happening outside Planned Parenthoods all across this country: women are being harassed and intimidated while exercising their right to choose. 35 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, whatever. We need to act quickly and deliberately towards a solution that benefits the victims of this situation: women who are being barred from controlling their own bodies and reproductive rights. Katrina Diamond should be censured for her actions. But let&#8217;s put our bruised egos aside and get down to business.</p>
<p>Ariel</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Comery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Comery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just confirms what I already suspected... you are a thoughtful and deliberative legislator and when your name is attached to something... it means something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just confirms what I already suspected&#8230; you are a thoughtful and deliberative legislator and when your name is attached to something&#8230; it means something!</p>
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